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Sept 5, 2012 15:01:02 GMT -5
Post by Will on Sept 5, 2012 15:01:02 GMT -5
Something about your analysis of Within You Without You really resonated with me. Something to the effect that the key is within the lyrics. But hidden in plain sight to me is this. www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,835309-8,00.html (in particular, the obituary) Flowers in the dirt, to me, is Shiva is pointing at ATL. And one one one X fits with the obitiuary too... Atlanta... Attachments:
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Sept 6, 2012 5:55:29 GMT -5
Post by beacon on Sept 6, 2012 5:55:29 GMT -5
Thanks for this. I don't think I have given the Time article enough importance up to now, something I intend to rectify.
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Sept 6, 2012 12:12:59 GMT -5
Post by Will on Sept 6, 2012 12:12:59 GMT -5
I'm not trying to state here, merely thinking out loud...
We were talking about the space between us all.
Could this refer to the space where the drum and ATL are between the 4 Beatles.
Two are flying, two are not
To be or not to be
3 of the Beatles are adorned in printing inks on the Pepper cover. CM and Y being Paul, Ringo and John. The fourth printing ink is commonly believed to be K for Black, however K actually stands for Key and could be any color. George in this example would be then adorned as key. Within You Without You just never fit the album or the sixties for that matter as its too preachy, something is unique with that song imho...
On the day that my Hotel Number 9 video got noticed in 2010, a dude named Jetschitzo showed up at NIR with this whole big thing about how Glass Onion actually says here's another clue for you more. Why more was regarded as so important, no one ever said to my knowledge. But they acted like it was a big deal.
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Sept 6, 2012 15:36:57 GMT -5
Post by Ter on Sept 6, 2012 15:36:57 GMT -5
I'm not trying to state here, merely thinking out loud... We were talking about the space between us all. Could this refer to the space where the drum and ATL are between the 4 Beatles. Two are flying, two are not To be or not to be3 of the Beatles are adorned in printing inks on the Pepper cover. CM and Y being Paul, Ringo and John. The fourth printing ink is commonly believed to be K for Black, however K actually stands for Key and could be any color. George in this example would be then adorned as key. Within You Without You just never fit the album or the sixties for that matter as its too preachy, something is unique with that song imho... On the day that my Hotel Number 9 video got noticed in 2010, a dude named Jetschitzo showed up at NIR with this whole big thing about how Glass Onion actually says here's another clue for you more. Why more was regarded as so important, no one ever said to my knowledge. But they acted like it was a big deal. More popular... The space between us all is possibly the mindset of an individual person looking face on at the Album cover and pondering how TO BE or NOT TO BE on or get to the side where the crowd is standing in the portrayed paradise. Notice the Beatles in the center are all holding instruments. John and Ringo both are holding Brass horns. The other two are not. Now notice the Wax Beatles. If it's John's hand on Ringo's Shoulder there's a connection. Also directly in front of Ringo is a Brass horn. From left to right, of the placement of their faces. Notice in either group Paul and Ringo are still positioned beside each other just their hand posistions have changed. Also only George has changed places. Another clue connecting the moon and moon goddess being depicted in the lower portion of the album cover is the WAX Beatles and the color Blue (Moon) descending WAX (Waxing Moon) or (Crescent Moon). Yes something about Within You Without You is different. Only I hear the difference in how the harmony and octaves are sung compared to other songs. So listening to the song in reverese I found it as the most clearly spoken song of all the Beatles reversed lyrics. Check your video I commented on it and have currently inturpreted the last part also at home. Other song reversals I have found to be the most clear are Strawberry Fields, She said, and Lucy in the Sky. The reason they are so clearly spoken is how strangely they were sung. Not the bizarreness of the lyrics, but the strange Octaves and Harmonies used in the song are clues for me to know if the song may have clearer reversed lyrics. The Key in hearing reversed lyrics, and I mean the voice being heard naturally and not interjected, is: Imagine a person standing behind you trying to convey a message in song without a tongue. Think of it as a spirit trying to speak to you without a tongue. Or imagine a person with an extreme speech impediment trying to sing to you. Without making fun of the person or laughing at them, you would listen real close with respect and concentrate on trying to understand instead of interpreting senseless jumbled words. Because most people will say Beatles songs in reverse are stupid and leave hateful comments or comical jumbled words on most song reversal videos. I always thought people who work within the field of helping people with speech disabilities would make great interpreters for reversed songs.
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Sept 7, 2012 6:01:17 GMT -5
Post by beacon on Sept 7, 2012 6:01:17 GMT -5
I'm not trying to state here, merely thinking out loud... We were talking about the space between us all. Could this refer to the space where the drum and ATL are between the 4 Beatles. Two are flying, two are not To be or not to beIn the Sgt Pepper Code I talk about the line "We were talking – about the space between us all and the people - who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion" in terms of a reference to the hidden characters that appear on the album cover, Sophia Loren, Bette Davis as Queen Elizabeth I etc, and I believe this is correct but that certainly doesn't preclude other options and clues. I certainly feel that WYWY holds a pivotal role in decoding the clues, and may well be the KEY. In the book I also talk about the Y code. Look at the line "Who gain the world and lose their soul – they don’t know – they can’t see – are you one of them?" This is the only time a question mark is used on the printed lyrics, despite there being numerous questions contained in the albums lyrics, this has to be deliberate. Then note that the only word that appears 'in the space between them all' is THEY or THE Y. The Y code, when discovered, yields the word SENDER MARY from the song She's Leaving Home. I can only speculate on what that may mean so I would appreciate your interpretations. Add to that the facts that WYWY was not strictly a Beatles song being that only Harrison played on the record and Neil Aspinall, Apollo himself, plays the Tembura it all adds to the mystique. I am sure there is much more that has yet to be dechiphered, so thank you Will and Ter for contributing.
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Sept 9, 2012 9:28:07 GMT -5
Post by Will on Sept 9, 2012 9:28:07 GMT -5
I'm not trying to state here, merely thinking out loud... We were talking about the space between us all. Could this refer to the space where the drum and ATL are between the 4 Beatles. Two are flying, two are not To be or not to beIn the Sgt Pepper Code I talk about the line "We were talking – about the space between us all and the people - who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion" in terms of a reference to the hidden characters that appear on the album cover, Sophia Loren, Bette Davis as Queen Elizabeth I etc, and I believe this is correct but that certainly doesn't preclude other options and clues. I certainly feel that WYWY holds a pivotal role in decoding the clues, and may well be the KEY. In the book I also talk about the Y code. Look at the line "Who gain the world and lose their soul – they don’t know – they can’t see – are you one of them?" This is the only time a question mark is used on the printed lyrics, despite there being numerous questions contained in the albums lyrics, this has to be deliberate. Then note that the only word that appears 'in the space between them all' is THEY or THE Y. The Y code, when discovered, yields the word SENDER MARY from the song She's Leaving Home. I can only speculate on what that may mean so I would appreciate your interpretations. Add to that the facts that WYWY was not strictly a Beatles song being that only Harrison played on the record and Neil Aspinall, Apollo himself, plays the Tembura it all adds to the mystique. I am sure there is much more that has yet to be dechiphered, so thank you Will and Ter for contributing. Consider that George was supposed to be run over by the bus at the end of MMT. I think all of your codes are valid, they mentioned setting up myths (plural) in the cover and then there is the 922 of what didn't they intend but showed up anyway. What do you think the significance of Mary is? I hsve a personal interpretation that is 922 related but for all the references to Mary at the cough, cough, other forum, I'd be interested to hear some plain english on what Mary is supposed to represent.
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Sept 10, 2012 4:25:14 GMT -5
Post by beacon on Sept 10, 2012 4:25:14 GMT -5
What do you think the significance of Mary is? I hsve a personal interpretation that is 922 related but for all the references to Mary at the cough, cough, other forum, I'd be interested to hear some plain english on what Mary is supposed to represent. That is a great question. It may be a simple Mother Mary reference that is designed to point to Paul and his mother Mary, but I am convinced that it is a female goddess clue, one designed to point us away from the general perceptions and stereotypes of christianity and to get us to look at other interpretations. I don't believe it was meant to be looked at in isolation, but as one of many clues. It may be Mary Magdalene and hold a Templar relevance. At the moment though, that is guesswork. I am still trying to figure out the meaning of the clues. What is your 922 theory?
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Sept 10, 2012 16:24:15 GMT -5
Post by Ter on Sept 10, 2012 16:24:15 GMT -5
What do you think the significance of Mary is? I hsve a personal interpretation that is 922 related but for all the references to Mary at the cough, cough, other forum, I'd be interested to hear some plain english on what Mary is supposed to represent. That is a great question. It may be a simple Mother Mary reference that is designed to point to Paul and his mother Mary, but I am convinced that it is a female goddess clue, one designed to point us away from the general perceptions and stereotypes of christianity and to get us to look at other interpretations. I don't believe it was meant to be looked at in isolation, but as one of many clues. It may be Mary Magdalene and hold a Templar relevance. At the moment though, that is guesswork. I am still trying to figure out the meaning of the clues. What is your 922 theory? Interesting, how are either of you connecting Mary with Sgt. Peppers? Other than Paul's mother. Where is a reference to Mary on or in the album? I may have missed some references or clues and I have yet to visit other forums on PID and any of their references. Beacon, I'm just curious, how do you presume the connection with Mary and the goddess in the album cover? Isn't the goddess a Hindu goddess of wealth?
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Sept 11, 2012 4:16:29 GMT -5
Post by beacon on Sept 11, 2012 4:16:29 GMT -5
That is a great question. It may be a simple Mother Mary reference that is designed to point to Paul and his mother Mary, but I am convinced that it is a female goddess clue, one designed to point us away from the general perceptions and stereotypes of christianity and to get us to look at other interpretations. I don't believe it was meant to be looked at in isolation, but as one of many clues. It may be Mary Magdalene and hold a Templar relevance. At the moment though, that is guesswork. I am still trying to figure out the meaning of the clues. What is your 922 theory? Interesting, how are either of you connecting Mary with Sgt. Peppers? Other than Paul's mother. Where is a reference to Mary on or in the album? I may have missed some references or clues and I have yet to visit other forums on PID and any of their references. Beacon, I'm just curious, how do you presume the connection with Mary and the goddess in the album cover? Isn't the goddess a Hindu goddess of wealth? Hi Ter, Probably the simplest way to do this is by quoting straight from the Sgt Pepper Code book, from a chapter called The Y Code. I spoke in the very first paragraph of chapter 1, how the Beatles were using their groundbreaking optimization of the printed lyrics on the album cover to conceal clues and codes.
The host of questions without question marks serve firstly to tell us that there is some form of word play in use within the lyrics. An epic game of twenty questions perhaps that beg of the listener to explore and question what is right in front of them.
The Beatles, all dressed up in their faux military gear, are expounding the virtues of the Knights Templar - master exploiters of the use of codes and ciphers – to hide clues in plain sight.
Hence the significance of the positioning of the one question in the lyrics that does use a question mark. Take a copy of the original vinyl version of Sgt Pepper and you will see that the question appears within the lyrics of 'Within You, Without You'. The very first line of the song says "we were talking - about the space between us all". Now notice how, looking at the Beatles, there is no space between them all, they are all bunched together. To further reinforce this clue look at the song 'Lovely Rita Meter Maid' and we will find the line "nothing can come between us". There is, on closer inspection however, a tiny gap in between Paul and John. Within this small space we can find a word. This one word is 'they'.
Continuing this line of thought, let us add a space within the word they so that the word then becomes 'the y'. Here things become more than a little bit spooky.
For instance, examine the lyrics to the song "She's Leaving Home". Take a pencil and paper and if you go back three letters from the "Y" in the beginning lines of the song, you will find you have jotted down the word "SENDER".
Example: "Wedne(s)daY morning at five o'clock as th(e) daY begins" With codes, you must have a 'sender' and a 'receiver'. So continue along these lines and you will find you are then given the word MARYâ€. If Mary, via the Beatles, is the sender then we must be the receiver?
So, who is Mary? I then discuss various possible reasons or explanations for the use of the word MARY. I won't go into them again because I would prefer not to pollute your train of thought. Incidentally, if you have not yet read the book it is free to download today from Amazon or send me a message here with your email address and I will send you a copy. As with everything in the book, I don't claim to have all the answers. Just like you and Will I have read all the PID stuff and don't accept it at face value, however, what the Y Code does, and what hopefully the Sgt Pepper Code proves is that there is something there. I can't discount the possibility that the word SENDER MARY has appeared entirely by coincidence, but the odds have to be pretty small. Let me share with you something else that has come to light since publishing. In the song 'Lovely Rita' we find this; Took her out and tried to win her. Had a laugh and over dinner, Told her I would really like to see her again. Got the bill and Rita paid it. Took her home I nearly made it, Sitting on the sofa with a sister or two. Oh, lovely Rita meter maid, Where would I be without youGive us a wink and make me think of you. Another nod back to WYWY and a coded reference to a ghost. Is this the holy ghost? Well Lonely Hearts is an anagram of Holy Eternals, so possibly. Also; Another Shakespeare / Caesar allusion can be found on the back cover in the two songs sandwiched in between 'A little help from my friends'. If you take your copy of Sgt Pepper and scan down the lyrics to the opening track, 'Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band', you will find that the opening letters, capitalised, to the last four lines begin with the letters, S.T.A.B. Go now, to the third track 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds', and beginning with the line 'A girl with kaleidoscope eyes' and you will find the lines begin with the letters A.C.T. Stab Act. What are the chances of these all being coincidences? The whole album is full of codes and riddles - I doubt I have even scratched the surface - and my take is that it is a Templar / Masonic initiation. You are quite correct to view this statement cautiously and to arrive at your own conclusions. That something exists is the important thing and I am glad that you are prepared to post your own thoughts and findings. Thank you.
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Sept 11, 2012 11:03:10 GMT -5
Post by Will on Sept 11, 2012 11:03:10 GMT -5
What do you think the significance of Mary is? I hsve a personal interpretation that is 922 related but for all the references to Mary at the cough, cough, other forum, I'd be interested to hear some plain english on what Mary is supposed to represent. That is a great question. It may be a simple Mother Mary reference that is designed to point to Paul and his mother Mary, but I am convinced that it is a female goddess clue, one designed to point us away from the general perceptions and stereotypes of christianity and to get us to look at other interpretations. I don't believe it was meant to be looked at in isolation, but as one of many clues. It may be Mary Magdalene and hold a Templar relevance. At the moment though, that is guesswork. I am still trying to figure out the meaning of the clues. What is your 922 theory? Well the feast of the Immaculate Conception seems to be the original December 8th reference so that's the 922 connection, plus there's a different personal one . Do you think the female goddess is the "she" referred to so often in lyrics of the era? Ter, I think what Beacon found with Sender Mary is legit and I've always believed Her Majesty to be purposeful and not related to the Queen. I think it points back to Pepper yet again...
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Sept 13, 2012 6:00:53 GMT -5
Post by beacon on Sept 13, 2012 6:00:53 GMT -5
Do you think the female goddess is the "she" referred to so often in lyrics of the era? Will, I hadn't ever considered that to be honest, but, yes, you may well be right.
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Sept 30, 2012 19:39:15 GMT -5
Post by Will on Sept 30, 2012 19:39:15 GMT -5
A very odd connection to the Sgt. Pepper November 9th-ATL allusion is Bob Dylan's December 3rd 1965 San Francisco interview where at 3:20 he references a Coke factory when questioned as to where Desolation Row is. Atlanta being Coca-Cola's home of course...
Obviously this comes before the issue of Time, did it come before the Motive article where the obituary originates?
Have to find out...a 922 item either way.
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Sept 30, 2012 19:46:46 GMT -5
Post by Will on Sept 30, 2012 19:46:46 GMT -5
Credit to whoever emptied out the Beatles to display this. Timothy Carey is hiding behind George as well as Bette Davis' Queen Elizabeth I and is in an assassin's pose. As in to shoot at. No one discusses this? Attachments:
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Sept 30, 2012 21:49:18 GMT -5
Post by Ter on Sept 30, 2012 21:49:18 GMT -5
Yes both are obscured by George. I think it has something to say about George Harrison or the part that George is potraying, whatever it is. Because, George is the only Beatle not behind the drum,he is standing behind the statue "rising from the grave". George is the only beatle to change position compared with the Wax Beatles. Above the wax George is (Thomas Henry (SARGENT) between the Petty Girls by ( George Petty). Above the Beatle George is the playwright ( George Bernard Shaw). Now how and why does the obscured people on the cover connect, in all possibilities, with each other and George?
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Oct 1, 2012 4:27:21 GMT -5
Post by beacon on Oct 1, 2012 4:27:21 GMT -5
I talk a lot in the Sgt Pepper Code about the obscured figures, I think they are highly significant. This picture is interesting to me because it shows this character who I have never been able to identify. Any ideas? Also, the picture seems to show the bottom half of the Sonny Liston dummy, almost as if the top half has been photoshopped out, but this makes no sense. The Timothy Carey cut-out is interesting as it is from a Stanley Kubrick film and thus provides a link between him and the Beatles. I find it odd that they went to the trouble of making the cut-outs, presumably getting premission to use them and then they become obscured. Very odd?
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