Thank you Paul, that was just like him.

[Will]

At 14:41 of the audio only video after Paul finishes with Yesterday. Yes this is 1965, a full year before Paul's supposed death.

Strangely, all of the actual video of John saying this before Help! has been removed from YouTube (and there were a few of them out there), although the one Help! video that cuts out John's commentary before the song has been left alone.

[linus]

Fortunately I downloaded that footage awhile ago.

By the way, that's not the only PID they dropped before 1967. They were doing it all the time.





The Beatlemania-era films & albums are the ultimate prelude to the PID paradigm.
As the last line of the last song on Revolver states, "It's the end of the beginning."
The PID motif runs through the entire career of the Beatles.
1963-1966 being the prologue, and 1967 to present being the more earnest enactment.
Before 1967 the death-clue motif was more overt, (hidden in plain sight), but dismissed as being cute & funny.
After 1967 it went more subliminal, albeit more frequent and prominent.

[Will]

Yeah I've seen this video, and thankfully the Help! footage is intact in it, I got a YouTube strike on one channel that had the Help! video...most of what is alluded to in the video you posted I would bucket personally as 922 type items instead of planned as PID clues; I'm curious though Linus as to what the consensus is among those who see PID as a running theme all along (Pre '66). What are the thoughts as to what the reason would be for them doing this? Is it all a big hermetic death to self/rebirth thing? Two Pauls all along?

[linus]

As far as I know there are only 2 other people who see PID as a motif that runs through their entire career.
What is the consensus concerning the reason there would be for them doing this? A a big hermetic death to self/rebirth thing? Two Pauls all along?
Both. (Although, I honestly can’t say that I only see two Pauls. But, there goes any hope of anyone listening to anything else I have to say).

And this was at arrived at with more than just the Beatlemania-era death motifs. There’s also the Egyptian mythology running rampant in that era, as well as all the other esoteric themes. And more.
Keeping in mind I’m open to all possibilities, but this has all gone beyond the tipping point for me at this point.

I guess I’m not entirely sure what you mean by 922 type items. If by that you mean, coincidence, cosmic or otherwise, or the universe playing itself out; I would ask, what is that, and how does one tap into it?
It seems people too often say, “Oh, that’s not a conspiracy, it just synchronicity.” As if that’s the end of the conversation. For me, it’s just the beginning! I find that much more fascinating and research-worthy than a conspiracy. (Not saying that’s what you’re doing).

My question is; if it’s a higher working of some kind, how is it entwined in the Beatles to such a high degree? And was it evoked somehow by them or someone else, or did it just pick them? Were they aware or not?


I mean, how many “Bono is dead” nodes are there in U2’s work? Maybe a small handful, if someone really decided to look for some.
What would it mean? Nothing. Because they didn’t intentionally play around with BID motifs at any point?

How many “Brian Jones is dead” nodes are there in The Rolling Stones’ work? Maybe a small handful if someone really decided to look for some.
What does it mean? Now you’d be getting into some areas like precognition, or the universe working it’s mysterious ways. Or possibly just coincidence. I mean, you may also be able to find some "Jagger is dead" nodes in there, too.
Would it have been intentional? Not likely.

How many “Paul is dead” motifs are there in The Beatles work before 1967. A s*** ton.
What does it mean? Either it was part of the idea all along, or there was a Lot of universe stuff going on. How does that ‘happen’?

(And, sure, not All of the things in that video are intentional PID nodes. But there's a lot of PID nodes, and I'm not sure which ones fall into the category of 'nothing', so I put them all in there).

[Will]

Oh I didn't realize this video was yours. I guess maybe seeing different accounts exploring this theme give off a perception that many people are going down this road now. I don't mean it in a critical way that some things don't seem like intentional PID, but I try to reconcile when I see these things as to what was going through the Beatles minds to try and introduce this going all the way back and I have a hard time with motivation, so I'm wondering if anyone else has fleshed that out in any more detail than what I see...

I guess with 922 I see it as synchronicity/conspiracy together, but a supernatural one that could also include what the Beatles actually intended to do. I know that is confusing, but I think God is Dead was one mystery of Sgt. Pepper as intended, but then I also think it was a supernatural test or bet of some kind. But the key to it being 922 as I define it is that the synchronicity shows up and its questionable as to whether the Beatles actually intended for it to be there. (I think that's true of JFK too)

I can't see motivation clearly at all, but I'm with you in that I see things taking place much further back than '66 and a Paul that looks very shiny for a time and not so shiny (like he was made up and wearing contacts) at other times all along. I don't know if that is multiple Pauls but its definitely weird enough to keep me looking at it much more than I want to...and you're right, there are clues everywhere that don't show up with anyone else. Backwards messages too, the main motivation of my Fish Delusions channel was to show how many Beatles songs said something backwards vs. everyone else where it rarely occurs.

[linus]

Ah, yeah, gotcha. That's what I thought you meant, but wasn't sure if I was missing some nuances.
But yeah, that's why I ask; if it's not intentional, how does it happen to such a high and uncanny degree with The Beatles?
How come almost everything they ever did is charged with PID motifs?
If it's the universe... how does that work, and why is it so concentrated on them?

Or maybe I'm not asking the right questions.

You are asking good ones, though. I've never had to explain my position before, anywhere, ever. This is a welcome task. (As are critiques, btw).

I love this quote



Motivation.
From researching death/rebirth themes in the esoteric world and finding an astonishing amount of parallels in The Beatles' work, in tandem with all the seemingly PID stuff in their pre-67 work, it seems that it served more than one purpose.
Foremost, it seems to be a Hermetic ritual, that became a continuing meme in their work. And like I said, at first it was overt, but innocuous. Then it became symbolic and subtextual.
Why? I wish I had a better handle on that at this point. It seems to me McCartney & Lennon both resonate as Christ/Osiris figures. This being the end of the Aeon of Osiris and the onset of the Aeon of Horus seems to play directly into that.
Then you've got Lennon's infamous Christianity comments, coming out on the heels of Time's "Is God dead?" issue, which was published on April 8th, the anniversary of Crowley being dictated the Book of the Law, which I know you're familiar with.
So, with the symbolic death of McCartney they're playing out a ritual. What they get out of that I'm not sure.

Then there's the possibility of 2 (or more) Pauls. Is PID meant to explain that away? That used to be my guess. Seems there's more going on there, though. But like everything they did, there are multiple, intertwined layers.
There does seem to be the 'good' Paul and the 'bad' Paul. Perhaps it's meant to convey a message of duality, or id vs. ego, or multiple universes, etc.



Honestly, lately I've been leaning more towards there being one Paul, but that he was alternating various prosthetics around, for whatever reason.
There's certainly not enough of a difference for there to be an imposter, Which I suppose is how they simultaneously pull of PIA and PID

Which is why I would also chalk a lot up to Discordian mindfuckery; but it's certainly not entirely just that.

[Will]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_beliefs_of_the_Beatles

Now, what were they really into during '64-'66? I'm not sure about that...it would probably be worthwhile to go over the evidence because they certainly were not very forthcoming and a lot seems hidden.