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Post by Will on Sept 5, 2012 14:28:39 GMT -5
Lifted from NIR...
We regret to inform you that NIR member Apollo C. Vermouth has passed away. He was Neil Aspinall. Our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. Neil's contributions to these forums shall be greatly missed.
Nircommittee
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Post by Will on Sept 5, 2012 15:28:54 GMT -5
arv The story line? In all truth, about 65% of what is written is based on things that actually happened. The remainder, sheer fantasy. Now, to figure what is, and what isn't. It was agreed, BY ALL INVOLVED, that once the "story" is told, not to deviate from any previous statements. You know, and I know, that there ARE clues to be found on Pepper. Just what those "clues" allude to, has not yet been figured out. But, when asked of John, George, or Ringo, there was always the "total rubbish" response. That is the story line. Deny! I have been accused of "jerking you all off" with my cryptic responses. Truth is, you've been jerked off from day one! THAT was part of the "story line." A little mystery for you to figure out. When things began to turn a bit "beyond the beyond", I tried to get the loonies back on the right path. The theories of CIA, KKK, UFO's, Paul in space, Don Knotts....fucking hell!!! I'M JERKING YOU OFF? ? Keep it simple, follow the clues, have a spot of fun, That is the "story line" NOW. There is a method to my madness. Apollo
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Post by beacon on Sept 6, 2012 5:52:34 GMT -5
arv The story line? In all truth, about 65% of what is written is based on things that actually happened. The remainder, sheer fantasy. Now, to figure what is, and what isn't. It was agreed, BY ALL INVOLVED, that once the "story" is told, not to deviate from any previous statements. You know, and I know, that there ARE clues to be found on Pepper. Just what those "clues" allude to, has not yet been figured out. But, when asked of John, George, or Ringo, there was always the "total rubbish" response. That is the story line. Deny! I have been accused of "jerking you all off" with my cryptic responses. Truth is, you've been jerked off from day one! THAT was part of the "story line." A little mystery for you to figure out. When things began to turn a bit "beyond the beyond", I tried to get the loonies back on the right path. The theories of CIA, KKK, UFO's, Paul in space, Don Knotts....fucking hell!!! I'M JERKING YOU OFF? ? Keep it simple, follow the clues, have a spot of fun, That is the "story line" NOW. There is a method to my madness. Apollo Thanks for this Will, it is brilliant. Not sure how I missed this one, was it one of his posts that he deleted? It is such a shame he is no longer around - assuming he was Neil - as I would love his opinion on the Sgt Pepper Code. The statement gives me heart that I am on the right track, though obviously my inherent bias towards my own story is bound to lead to possibly read things into statements that may not actually exist. The 65%, I assume, refers to the conventional Beatles history, so the 35% that is false is a massive chunk, we just have to figure out what is and what isn't real. I hope to post something later today about John and Yoko's firts meeting that I believe would fall into the 35% category. The sentence about the CIA, KKK, etc also, to my mind, is positive as it would rule out a lot of the more fantastic theories that have and still do abound. It pushes me back to Pepper again as the Rosetta stone and makes me think I may have picked up on at least something of the right path. I use the following Peter Blake quote in the book and I keep returning to it; "It didn't occur to me that the waxworks of the suited Beatles looked like 'the Beatles are dead; long live the Beatles' and that they were looking at their funeral flowers, but it's an interesting idea. We set up a couple of myths to find in the puzzle, but most of them are dead ends. What's intriguing is how the mythology never stops"
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Post by Will on Sept 6, 2012 12:27:57 GMT -5
I don't want to link NIR threads but in the post where the NIR committee announces Apollo's death there is a lot of Apollo's personal correspondence with various members which are posted.
The 65-35% was in one of those posts...
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Post by Will on Oct 14, 2012 20:04:21 GMT -5
Picking Up Scales And Broken Chords Puppy Dog Tails In The House Of Lords Tell Me Darling, What Can It Mean? Making Up Moons In A Minor Key What Have Those Tunes Got To Do With Me? Tell Me Darling, Where Have You Been? Once Upon Along Ago Children Searched For Treasure Nature's Plan Went Hand In Hand With Pleasure. Such Pleasure. Blowing Balloons On A Windy Day Desolate Dunes With A Lot To Say Tell Me Darling, What Have You Seen? Once Upon Along Ago Children Searched For Treasure Nature's Plan Went Hand In Hand With Pleasure. My Pleasure. Playing Guitars On An Empty Stage Counting The Bars Of An Iron Cage Tell Me Darling, What Can It Mean? Picking Up Scales And Broken Chords Puppy Dog Tails In The House Of Lords Tell Me Darling, What Can It Mean? Once Upon Along Ago...
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Post by Will on Oct 15, 2012 6:49:21 GMT -5
Once upon a long ago, lived four young lads I'm sure you know. The other three, you know them two. You'll know me better when this is through. Before the band was on the run, a natures child followed the sun. And soon the four became a three, a list of clues for those to see. A story told in fine detail, to keep the loonies on the trail. A coin, a sheep, a favored son, were welcomed guest when the day was done. Now, those days are gone, the stories told, in rivers of ash, and urns of gold. A final hint to all of those, who refuse to see the Emporer's clothes.
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Another funny thing, the coin, sheep and favored son are all parables from Luke 15.
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Post by Will on Jun 7, 2013 12:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by beacon on Jun 12, 2013 8:08:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the bump Will. Don't know if you saw this over at NIR? Re: Luck o' the Smiling Irish « Message sent on Aug 17, 2008, 12:25am » Lucy ( in disguise )
Nell never posted to the group. I passed along whatever he wrote me. Verbatim. The answers and PMs sent to my attention were passed on to Nell for his reply. Later, as he became ill, I added some words of my own. His replies became short and less than poetic. I've been doing this long enough to know how he would have phrased his responses. The Sound and Fury post was all his. I think he was saying goodbye. Paulie added some words as well. The end part. I had enjoyed your company while all this was going on. I know Nell had a warm place in his heart for you as well. And yes, it was alot of work. But, by getting to know a tad about you made it worth every second. POV
Re: Luck o' the Smiling Irish « Message sent on Aug 17, 2008, 2:59pm »
Lucy (sheds her disuise)
I cried too. Still do from time to time. It was a great loss. But through it all, Nell kept an odd sense of privacy. He wore his own disguise. It wasn't till the last final months that he began to shed everything that kept him safe. He became naked, so to speak. None of us wish to be seen it that attire. Lucy, I play no games. One thing I have learned through this experience is that life is a rare gift. I hate 20/20 hind sight. I call 'em likes I see 'em. I have no regrets. How do you like your steaks? I imagine how that would be. But, Louise makes it clear that Johanna is not here... POV
I have hundreds of letters from the Vermouths. Until recently, that is. I'm giving these few to you, Beacon, to provide some closure to your work.
My work, too.
lol
The above is the response I received from Iwill / Iameye / Lucy. It confirms that Apollo C Vermouth was Neil Aspinall which, all though we have long suspected this, is great to get confirmed and makes me believe that the nature of the blog is largely correct. Coincidentally, when I linked to the article on Facebook i did get a like from Iamaphoney, but no response...as yet!
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Post by Will on Jun 18, 2013 9:02:59 GMT -5
Yep I would say its legit too based on all of this...this helps a lot!
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Post by Will on Aug 7, 2014 12:40:06 GMT -5
Pardon the intrusion... There is more here than meets the kaleidoscope eyes. Is there a need to mention the "looking glass ties" to "Wool and Water"? Is it a waste of time to compare "rocking horse people" to the "Magical Mystery Boy" in MMT? The connections are there. The Walrus, and the egg. The challenge, "Let the fuckers figure this one out." Apollo Wool and water is a chapter name in Through the Looking Glass and is where we find the White Queen talking about things getting better, better, better. Also references ‘living backwards’ and remembering the future. The Magical Mystery Boy in MMT was Mal, but, don't get the reference to rocking horse people? What is your take Will? Thanks again for posting these obscure Apollo musings, not sure I have seen many of these. Well I guess, after collecting all of this now I'm trying to reason through the whole thing. It seems like Apollo, as Neil, sort of broke ranks with those who have kept all of this to themselves. One would think this was either done with Paul's blessing or perhaps not, and if you look at Iamaphoney's material it sure seems like the "new" clues sort of stopped right around the point that Neil died. So if MPL took over, they may have provided even more access but not much in the way of new clues to get closer to the answer. So, was Neil leading us towards the answer or away from it? Here's what we seem to have. The Beatles themselves deny everything, even though Paul still provides clues like Gratitude reversed... I was Willie Campbell is a pretty blatant deliberate attempt to perpetuate PID and because its so easily dismissed for researchers, sort of seems like he's a bit out of touch with what Beatle mystery hunters will actually consider a good clue...its just a silly one to most of us but it proves that he is both trying to dismiss the mystery (Letterman false incredulity) while adding to it privately. Did Iamaphoney actually get closer due to Neil? I'm not really sure, but they seem to have been kind of thwarted by MPL once Neil died. What makes this troubling is that when you look at this whole collection, Apollo is dealing both with the Sgt Pepper mystery and the PID mystery and obviously we don't believe that these are related, unless its in a metaphorical sense. But Apollo isn't talking metaphorical Billy, he's talking real one it would seem. Do you throw that part out, or does it mean something too? We know that J Marks, who was a friend of Linda Eastman, wrote an article in the New York Times in 1969 in which he asserted that he and Linda were at a party in 1967 when an unnamed Beatles insider came up to them and pointed to Paul and said that Paul had died last November and been replaced by a double and that Jane was just going along with it to keep up appearances for now...and in fact Jane did move on in '68. So we have Beatles insiders perpetuating PID going all the way back to 1967 but no one ever divulges what the story led to in all of the years since. Neil had an opportunity at the end to deliver truth to the NIR members, instead he seems to have taken this to his grave. Just like John, and George and all of the other Beatle insiders. Heather says she has a box of evidence and the world couldn't handle it. Julian raged gimme some truth, maybe its time to tell the truth after being snubbed for McCartney's wedding. Russ Gibb says he was told something, rumored to be by British Intel that changed his view on all of this, serious enough that he may take to his grave or give out as a deathbed answer...but when Paul asked to meet with him, Russ said no. The point being there is no way this is about a PID hoax. The main reason we know this is that there is very little to be lost by admitting to this later, The Beatles are clever and perpetuated a hoax is all people would think. Big deal! People would not take this to their graves. This is either something real about Paul or something so serious that no one would ever talk about it even though key insiders have threatened to and would take the information all the way to the grave without ever saying what the answer to the mystery was. I believe there is proof on the Sgt Pepper cover and this seemed to be what Neil (Apollo) keeps coming back to, and what all of the clues on subsequent albums comes back to. I think Neil's telling the truth about Sgt Pepper. Cipher, cryptogram, front cover, back cover? Its there somewhere waiting to be solved...the part about Paul and Billy, I'm not sure how this fits in. I'm sort of stuck on that... ---------------- A much fuller collection of Apollo's posts are in the members area...
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Post by beacon on Aug 8, 2014 9:07:15 GMT -5
Wool and water is a chapter name in Through the Looking Glass and is where we find the White Queen talking about things getting better, better, better. Also references ‘living backwards’ and remembering the future. The Magical Mystery Boy in MMT was Mal, but, don't get the reference to rocking horse people? What is your take Will? Thanks again for posting these obscure Apollo musings, not sure I have seen many of these. Well I guess, after collecting all of this now I'm trying to reason through the whole thing. It seems like Apollo, as Neil, sort of broke ranks with those who have kept all of this to themselves. One would think this was either done with Paul's blessing or perhaps not, and if you look at Iamaphoney's material it sure seems like the "new" clues sort of stopped right around the point that Neil died. So if MPL took over, they may have provided even more access but not much in the way of new clues to get closer to the answer. So, was Neil leading us towards the answer or away from it? Here's what we seem to have. The Beatles themselves deny everything, even though Paul still provides clues like Gratitude reversed... I was Willie Campbell is a pretty blatant deliberate attempt to perpetuate PID and because its so easily dismissed for researchers, sort of seems like he's a bit out of touch with what Beatle mystery hunters will actually consider a good clue...its just a silly one to most of us but it proves that he is both trying to dismiss the mystery (Letterman false incredulity) while adding to it privately. Did Iamaphoney actually get closer due to Neil? I'm not really sure, but they seem to have been kind of thwarted by MPL once Neil died. What makes this troubling is that when you look at this whole collection, Apollo is dealing both with the Sgt Pepper mystery and the PID mystery and obviously we don't believe that these are related, unless its in a metaphorical sense. But Apollo isn't talking metaphorical Billy, he's talking real one it would seem. Do you throw that part out, or does it mean something too? We know that J Marks, who was a friend of Linda Eastman, wrote an article in the New York Times in 1969 in which he asserted that he and Linda were at a party in 1967 when an unnamed Beatles insider came up to them and pointed to Paul and said that Paul had died last November and been replaced by a double and that Jane was just going along with it to keep up appearances for now...and in fact Jane did move on in '68. So we have Beatles insiders perpetuating PID going all the way back to 1967 but no one ever divulges what the story led to in all of the years since. Neil had an opportunity at the end to deliver truth to the NIR members, instead he seems to have taken this to his grave. Just like John, and George and all of the other Beatle insiders. Heather says she has a box of evidence and the world couldn't handle it. Julian raged gimme some truth, maybe its time to tell the truth after being snubbed for McCartney's wedding. Russ Gibb says he was told something, rumored to be by British Intel that changed his view on all of this, serious enough that he may take to his grave or give out as a deathbed answer...but when Paul asked to meet with him, Russ said no. The point being there is no way this is about a PID hoax. The main reason we know this is that there is very little to be lost by admitting to this later, The Beatles are clever and perpetuated a hoax is all people would think. Big deal! People would not take this to their graves. This is either something real about Paul or something so serious that no one would ever talk about it even though key insiders have threatened to and would take the information all the way to the grave without ever saying what the answer to the mystery was. I believe there is proof on the Sgt Pepper cover and this seemed to be what Neil (Apollo) keeps coming back to, and what all of the clues on subsequent albums comes back to. I think Neil's telling the truth about Sgt Pepper. Cipher, cryptogram, front cover, back cover? Its there somewhere waiting to be solved...the part about Paul and Billy, I'm not sure how this fits in. I'm sort of stuck on that... ---------------- A much fuller collection of Apollo's posts are in the members area... Yeah, stuck is what I am too!!!
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Post by Will on Aug 8, 2014 11:45:55 GMT -5
That's from your post about Africa. Whether or not this document is legit seems to be representative of the whole PID angle, and I'm skeptical with "don't go there", it doesn't seem like verbage from that time at first read. If this is disinfo it doesn't need to get in the way of Sgt. Pepper, which I think is the real mystery. I mean, we know what SFF says in reverse, its on my channel, and what story did they tell with that? The other thing that bothers me about the document's appearance is that this came at a time in Iamaphoney's videos when he was moving away from PID and more towards the occult, you'd think they would be more PID with this in their hands. Unless someone drilled a hole in Paul's head or something... I'm leaning towards considering Paul and Billy to be 35% disinfo, Apollo alludes to a series of well-placed lies to tell the story in a couple of places...it certainly doesn't detract from the other, more useful posts he makes and a hoax is most certainly a component of the story even if its not the whole story.
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