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Post by Will on Sept 11, 2012 16:16:59 GMT -5
Doctor, doctor, tell me the time of day Another bottle's empty Another penny spent He turned around and he slowly walked away They shot him in the back and down he went
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
From the Liverpool docks to the red light Hamburg streets Down in the quarry with the Quarrymen. Playing to the big crowds Playing to the cheap seats Another day in your life until your journey’s end
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
Sailing through the tradewinds Bound for the sun Rags on your back just like any other slave They tied your hands and they clamped your mouth Wasn’t no way out of that deep dark cave
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
I heard the news today, oh boy They hauled your ship up on the shore Now the city’s gone dark There is no more joy They tore the heart right out and cut it to the core
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
Put on your bags and get ‘em packed. Leave right now you won’t be far from hine The sooner you go, the quicker you’ll be back You’ve been cooped up on an island far too long
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
Slow down you’re moving too fast Come together right now over me Your bones are weary You’re about to breathe your last Lord, you know how hard that it can be
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
Roll on John, roll through the rain and snow Take the righthand road and go where the buffalo roam They’ll trap you in an ambush before you know Too late now to sail back home
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
Tyger, Tiger burning bright I pray the lord my soul to keep In the forest of the night Cover him over and let him sleep
Shine your light, move it on, you burn so bright, roll on John
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Post by Will on Sept 12, 2012 13:32:38 GMT -5
Beacon, did you notice there's a Buffalo reference!
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Post by beacon on Sept 13, 2012 5:59:00 GMT -5
Beacon, did you notice there's a Buffalo reference! Thanks Will for flagging this up. You are right there is a Buffalo reference amongst a few Pepper mentions. I heard the news today, oh boy,… Another day in your life….etc. Any ideas as to what the word hine refers too? As to go where the buffalo roam, it is not easy to decipher – is it ever with Bob Dylan? There was a film called Where the Buffalo Roam which features Bill Murray singing an excerpt from Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds – another Pepper reference? The most likely is an obscure reference to the Legionnaire of the order of Buffaloes character on Pepper. The man who lurks at the Temple Dors. I have recently become aware of an American quasi-masonic organisation known as the Shriners who wear red fez’s al la the guy on Pepper and have wondered if there is a connection? A quick google search reveals a Shriners Temple in Buffalo, but this is surely too obscure. Anyway any thoughts or knowledge on this would be appreciated. It is interesting to note that the song appears on Dylan’s album Tempest. The Tempest is a Shakespeare play, believed to be his last. Roll on John is the last song on the album. Could this tribute to Lennon be Dylan’s last ever song? The song preceding Roll on John is called Tempest and is a 14 minute account of the sinking of the Titanic. The Tempest is believed to have been a story based on the real-life shipwreck of the Sea Venture in 1609 on the island of Bermuda while sailing towards Jamestown, Virginia. Roll on John has numerous references to a sea voyage, presumably from England to America, just like the Titanic. As I mention in the Sgt Pepper Code, there are numerous references to Francis Bacon on Sgt Pepper and, I believe, Bacon’s authorship of the works of Shakespeare and his involvement in the settlement of America as a Rosicrucian / Masonic homeland. Could it be that Bob Dylan, who also appeared on the cover of Pepper is acknowledging this and could it be that Dylan sees himself as a song writing contemporary of Lennon’s and as such an equivalent of one of Bacons good pens? The song also borrows lines from the William Blake poem The Tyger. Blake also wrote the song Jerusalem which implies that England is the new Jerusalem in that the masonic symbolism of Solomons Temple and its architect Hiram Abif could be transferred to London and the burgeoning masonic empire that was then being built. A loose connection could be construed between Peter Blake, Pepper artist, and William Blake. Just thoughts and observations and, as ever, I welcome thoughts from you both. |
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Post by Will on Sept 13, 2012 9:04:06 GMT -5
Mr. Dylan seems to have joined the fray with this one, and I don't remember that ever having happened, he usually leads.
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Post by Will on Sept 16, 2012 14:37:02 GMT -5
Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
In what distant deeps or skies.
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?
And what shoulder, & what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?
What the hammer? what the chain,
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp,
Dare its deadly terrors clasp!
When the stars threw down their spears
And water’d heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?
Tyger Tyger burning bright,
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
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Post by Ter on Sept 16, 2012 21:26:38 GMT -5
Tyger Tyger, burning bright, In the forests of the night; What immortal hand or eye, Could frame thy fearful symmetry? In what distant deeps or skies. Burnt the fire of thine eyes? On what wings dare he aspire? What the hand, dare seize the fire? And what shoulder, & what art, Could twist the sinews of thy heart? And when thy heart began to beat, What dread hand? & what dread feet? What the hammer? what the chain, In what furnace was thy brain? What the anvil? what dread grasp, Dare its deadly terrors clasp! When the stars threw down their spears And water’d heaven with their tears: Did he smile his work to see? Did he who made the Lamb make thee? Tyger Tyger burning bright, In the forests of the night: What immortal hand or eye, Dare frame thy fearful symmetry? I like W. Blake's works. TYGER is about a duality of man and beast both sharing a natural killer instinct. Yet, each kills with different intentions. In my opinion the role of the Tiger, in the poem, is a reference of the primordial natural killer instinct. Poachers seek to trap and kill the Tiger within the forest for sport of game. Setting up camp deep within the dark forest, and by the camp fire, ready their spears, chains, and cages they had fordged for the hunt. The Tiger in the forest of the night, curious as to what the burning fire is and their presence, watches from the darkness. The Tiger, as Blake sees it, is the fire burning bright. In the form of a primordial living fire of a natural beastly existence. The Tiger is watching some poachers oblivious of their intentions to capture the tiger and claim it's skin for sport of game. "To frame thy fearful symmetry" is to stretch the skin of the tiger revealing the natural symmetry for their trading purposes. Also " to frame thy fearful symmetry" could mean; The poachers portray or "frame" the tigers "natural ferocity" symmetricaly with "dangerous beast" worthy to be killed in order to justify the killing Stanzas 2, 3, and 4 Relate by asking what really the poachers thought of the Prize of the Tiger was underestimated. All the effort in planning what with the hammer, anvil, chains, spears etc. to clasp such deadly terror. The intent was thwarted by a true primal, cunning display of skillful force and hunger to survive. With the intentions of gaining the tiger as the prey, the poachers soon realized the demise as the tigers prey. 5 Stanza Relates as when the poachers, under sudden attack, threw down their spears and died crying out to heaven. The question of "Did he smile his work to see? Might be asking "Did the creator smile for the natural action of the tiger, as it feasted upon the poacher. The tiger as his work, as his natural beastly instinct carried out accordingly in nature. Did he who made the lamb make the? Did he who made a beast as simple as a lamb also make the tiger ? Both can only and naturally be itself. 6Stanza Is the same as the first. The Tiger goes on as before as a natural predator. Then again there is a spiritual aspect with a different interpretation with the use of the words immortal hand..... Like the duality of JC Lion or Lamb and ones search in finding truth. Just some thoughts. What's your take on the poem? Does it tie in with Dylan or 922? |
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Post by Will on Sept 17, 2012 9:10:41 GMT -5
Great analysis!
I not only think it goes to the core of 922 with the duality aspect and contrasts with the Lamb, but I think Dylan (for the first time I can recall) is saying something to the seekers of the grail, so to speak.
I think we would do well to focus on what he's saying, as well as Tempest in general. Duquesne Whistle also has a John Lennon (billboard) appearance in the video at 0:13.
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Post by Will on Sept 18, 2012 8:57:48 GMT -5
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Post by Ter on Sept 19, 2012 14:36:31 GMT -5
Interesting video. I wonder if it was Bob Dylan's intended direction or the directors. Yes I caught the John Lennon sign and seen a Gene Simmons in his gang also. The title of the 1945 film The House on 92nd Street is a close clue with 922. |
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Post by Will on Sept 20, 2012 9:12:44 GMT -5
Dylan's LP's are largely thematic; this one seems to be more so than any in quite some time.
The kicker is that the final song on a Dylan LP is usually regarded as significant, and the lyrics to roll on John are in some places so trite that it's almost certainly intended to have dual meaning.
Take a look at the Expecting Rain forum and you'll see an eyeful on the perceived significance of Tempest from people that are used to looking for it in Dylan's work...
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Post by Will on Sept 20, 2012 12:17:42 GMT -5
An example... expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72166Now, those of us who are immersed in Beatlemysteryology should realize that Dylan uses the Bed/Head combo 5 times, and it also happens to appear in A Day in the Life... There are an inordinate amount of Dylan/Beatle coincidences for an LP that happens to end by saluting a Beatle... |
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Post by Will on Sept 21, 2012 12:20:16 GMT -5
Not only did Dylan and John Lennon discuss William Blake in No Direction Home, Dylan soon after crashed his Triumph on the day that More Popular Than Jesus took off. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Tiger_100Notice its a Triumph Tiger... |
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Post by Will on Sept 21, 2012 12:32:36 GMT -5
The following passage describing events after a Bob Dylan concert from Marianne Faithfull's autobiography, 'Faithfull', gives a flavour of John Lennon and The Beatles in the mid-sixties:
"Although I knew John and Paul quite well by this time meeting The Beatles as a group was always a bit of an ordeal. On top of their Olympian fame was their scouse badgering. They would always run things on you ... Anybody new into the crowd had to be ready to go through a terrible gauntlet of verbal abuse in some way....
"Dylan went into the room where the Beatles were sitting all scrunched up on the couch, all of them fantastically nervous. Lennon, Ringo, George and Paul, and Lennon's wife, Cynthia, and one or two roadies. Nobody said anything. They were waiting for the oracle to speak...
"Then Allen Ginsberg came in ... He went over to the chair Dylan was sitting in and plonked himself down on the armrest ... John Lennon broke the silence snarling:
"'Why don't you sit a bit closer then, dearie?'
"The insinuation - that Allen had a crush on Dylan - was intended to demolish Allen, but since it wasn't far from the truth anyway, Allen took it very lightly. The joke was on them, really. He burst out laughing, fell off the arm and onto Lennon's lap. Allen looked up at him and said, 'Have you ever read William Blake, young man'
"And Lennon in his Liverpudlian deadpan said, 'Never heard of the man.'
"Cynthia, who wasn't going to let him get away with this even in jest, chided him: 'Oh, John, stop lying.'
That broke the ice.
"'Lovely gig, man,' Lennon offered, as if he were just passing through.
"Dylan just rocked back and forth hypnotically in his chair. Then he said.'They didn't dig "It's All Right, Ma".'
"'Maybe they didn't get it," said John. "It's the price of being ahead of your time you know.'
"To which Dylan said, 'Maybe, but I'm only about twenty minutes ahead as it is.'
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Post by Will on Sept 24, 2012 11:29:51 GMT -5
I started a new thread for Tempest in general, highlighting another Beatles reference that comes much earlier in the album. I think this LP at least in part is thematic and may address the mysteries of the Beatles, but you know he won't make it easy to decipher. Henry Lee is a well-known folk ballad (Young Hunting), but look at how the original Henry Lee relates to Queen Elizabeth I. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lee_of_Ditchley...and it's yet another H and L... |
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Post by gaydracula on Sept 26, 2012 21:57:25 GMT -5
i think it's pretty simple to figure out.. bob is wanting to dig up john lennon ..and then burn him at the stake.
a few months agao the beatles made it to iTunes.. their picture was on the front page of apple for a month..
mustve drove bob mad.. i hope bob gets it together, becuase songs like this really make him seem a bit loony.
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